Nicole LeBlanc, partner at Toyota’s Woven Capital venture fund, on adapting its investment strategy to Trump 2.0 How does the shift in U.S. clean energy policy impact Woven’s approach in terms of climate and mobility startup investments you’re making? Ultimately, we're trying to solve real problems with real solutions. From a policy and regulatory perspective, [U.S. changes] do affect things in the short term, but not really in the long term. Because if you have a problem and you have a solution, then you still are going to try to figure this out. It's the economics of how quickly you can do that. That's how we're thinking about it. This is not my statement and not my quote; it was something overheard at climate week in London. Someone said “climate tech has gone from green to cocky,” because it's not just about green tech anymore. It's all about domestic security and domestic supply chains. I found that really interesting. We are seeing that not just in climate but in mobility tech. All of them are also now having crossovers into aerospace and defense. From an investment perspective, that mitigates the fact that there are some uncertainties around the climate element in terms of scaling of these technologies. Because now they have a second market that is accelerating and has more money in it. From a venture investment perspective, if climate's not going to work out, maybe they can apply it in this other industry. It's the same technology often. So the development is still able to have the economics needed to really scale and the timeline that venture capitalists need. The U.S. shift away from federal support for clean energy seems shortsighted, given how compelling the economics for large-scale wind, solar and battery have become as power needs grow. Are you seeing an impact? I will say there's a challenge in the venture industry as there's not as much money floating around as there used to be. What a lot of companies and investors are advising their companies to do is really focus on unit economics and profitability. It's cyclical. I've been in the venture space for 18 years now. You have the growth cycles and then you have the unit economics/profitability ones. It just keeps going back and forth. That's the cycle that we're in now. There's no green premium anymore. We've had the acceleration in the last five years for people to develop the technology, get the subsidies, get the government grants, get what they needed. The ones that were able to capitalize on that, now they're focusing on doubling down on these kinds of unit economics and profitability elements. It's a big world and there's a lot happening everywhere. Are you looking more at startup opportunities in Europe, Asia, Japan and Korea, where policies aren’t changing? We're still keeping the same approach. It's just a matter of what are the economics of some of these deals? Are there valuations coming down or are they still trying to get the same valuations that they used to? Some of the areas are maybe going a little bit more niche as opposed to being so broad. We're really trying to understand the impact of AI. AI is affecting every industry. We're trying to figure out where it’s having an immediate impact and where it’s still a little bit of smoke and mirrors–like Wizard of Oz in the background pulling the strings versus where it’s having impact right now. For example, we've made an investment in the smart charging/grid space, and are trying to double down on that to help them make that more of an ecosystem play. That’s an area where it's not like one automaker and one utility. It requires the network effects of everybody coming together. … It is quasi-climate related. A cross between mobility and climate is where we're looking at these AI engineering tools. Regulation changes don't affect these types of industries. It’s really trying to see where they can actually help iterate a lot faster. … Longer term, we're trying to think about things like critical minerals, geologic hydrogen, a little bit of these more moonshot elements. Again, things that aren’t really subject to the negative regulation that's coming around. |